This an be an annoying issue with no real good way to deal with it to make everyone happy and certainly to be correct, as far as we know.
Good Shabbos
Matis
3 years ago
Reality is that most of us call it Shabbos so why promote people calling it Shabbat. When I taught in a Modern-Orthodox school I was approached by a graduate of YOF who had an issue with me not calling it Shabbat. I replied that this is how most people speak in the Five-Towns (been here for most of the past 50 years; when in Rome -the diaspora…) and what’s so bad anyway if kids pronounce it like their grandparents?!?! (She understood and almost agreed). By the way, when I speak with Sephardim and most Israelis I say Shabbat. A Freilichin… Read more »
Eric
1 year ago
Lets bring back the “Thuf” guy!
Gilad
1 month ago
You are mixing up Modern Hebrew with traditional Sephardic pronunciation. Modern Hebrew is simply the secular Ashkenazi Jews’ imitation of Sephardic pronunciation. The members of the Hebrew Language Comitte in Israel were not very exposed to Hebrew at all, and couldn’t pronounce a lot of length differences or consonants preserved by Sephardim in Hebrew. Traditional Sephardic pronunciation—not the colloquial one influenced by modern Hebrew; I mean genuine Sephardic dialects—diffrentiate between ALL the Beged Kefet, in some dialects excluding soft vet; All the vowels, based on a system older than the Ashkenazi one; and ALL consonants, including Alef, Ayin, het, soft… Read more »
This an be an annoying issue with no real good way to deal with it to make everyone happy and certainly to be correct, as far as we know.
Good Shabbos
Reality is that most of us call it Shabbos so why promote people calling it Shabbat. When I taught in a Modern-Orthodox school I was approached by a graduate of YOF who had an issue with me not calling it Shabbat. I replied that this is how most people speak in the Five-Towns (been here for most of the past 50 years; when in Rome -the diaspora…) and what’s so bad anyway if kids pronounce it like their grandparents?!?! (She understood and almost agreed). By the way, when I speak with Sephardim and most Israelis I say Shabbat. A Freilichin… Read more »
Lets bring back the “Thuf” guy!
You are mixing up Modern Hebrew with traditional Sephardic pronunciation. Modern Hebrew is simply the secular Ashkenazi Jews’ imitation of Sephardic pronunciation. The members of the Hebrew Language Comitte in Israel were not very exposed to Hebrew at all, and couldn’t pronounce a lot of length differences or consonants preserved by Sephardim in Hebrew. Traditional Sephardic pronunciation—not the colloquial one influenced by modern Hebrew; I mean genuine Sephardic dialects—diffrentiate between ALL the Beged Kefet, in some dialects excluding soft vet; All the vowels, based on a system older than the Ashkenazi one; and ALL consonants, including Alef, Ayin, het, soft… Read more »